What’s Destroying Your Marriage?

**Based on the response to this post we are keeping it posted as today’s post as well. Please feel free to join the discussion!**

One year ago, Trisha and I launched a series of posts entitled 8 Things that Destroyed Our Marriage. The response to the series has been incredible. What we have realized over the past year is that we as people and we in the Church are really good at discussing symptoms of our problems so we can avoid the problems themselves. The truth is the affair that I had in 2005 was a symptom of much bigger problems that nearly destroyed our marriage.

As we start 2010, our prayer is that God uses RefineUs to restore even more marriages, but we need your help. We’d like to hear from you so we can be even more effective in providing a place that God uses to bring people back to Him and each other. We’d like you to answer two questions and you can answer COMPLETELY ANONYMOUSLY! If you don’t want to use your real name, just make one up and answer these two questions. (no email address is required)

1. What is the one issue that creates the most problems for you in your marriage? (Communication, lust, finances, lack of trust, pornography, resentment, unforgivness, etc…)

2. Do you feel like the Church is effective in helping you find Godly hope and answers to this problem?

If you are NOT married, please feel free to answer based on what you see in the marriages you observe and what you have experienced through the Church.

Our goal with these questions is to provide a place where people, no matter where they are in their relationship with God, no matter where they are in their marital status can find hope, healing and a fresh perspective on God’s redemptive power. Please be brutally honest as you help us create even more of that community in 2010.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JasonWert JasonWert

    I'd have to say it's finances. As for the church being effective in helping with that problem…eh…not so much. Sure, folks offer the Dave Ramsey program and that IS a good, helpful program but that doesn't really address the stress financial issues cause within the marriage as deeply as the problem runs.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Jason…we spent so many years getting our finances wrong. Sadly in my case it was my own pride and not the church that was at fault. We are just now coming above water for air after years of jacking this area up. Thank you for your honesty!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JasonWert JasonWert

    I'd have to say it's finances. As for the church being effective in helping with that problem…eh…not so much. Sure, folks offer the Dave Ramsey program and that IS a good, helpful program but that doesn't really address the stress financial issues cause within the marriage as deeply as the problem runs.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Jason…we spent so many years getting our finances wrong. Sadly in my case it was my own pride and not the church that was at fault. We are just now coming above water for air after years of jacking this area up. Thank you for your honesty!

  • cshell

    One year ago my world came crashing down, God led me to your sight…perfect timing. I have followed since then, always reading and being encouraged and pointed in the right direction. Thank you. If no one else is ever touched, changed, or reached because of your blog please know that you have impacted me and my marriage.

    I would say to question #1 if I'm being honest, there is no way there is just one thing. And I will just assume you are leaving out "Putting God First" because that should be a given. So i will say, Communication. The lack of that led to so many other problems.

    To question #2. I have a real hard time "blaming" or "pointing fingers" at the church for the choices I have made. So please keep that in mind, but i would answer "no".

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      @cshell…thanks for your encouragement and your honesty! The list I provided wasn't an exhaustive list, but one just to get people thinking. I have been and will continue to pray for you and your marriage.

  • cshell

    One year ago my world came crashing down, God led me to your sight…perfect timing. I have followed since then, always reading and being encouraged and pointed in the right direction. Thank you. If no one else is ever touched, changed, or reached because of your blog please know that you have impacted me and my marriage.

    I would say to question #1 if I'm being honest, there is no way there is just one thing. And I will just assume you are leaving out "Putting God First" because that should be a given. So i will say, Communication. The lack of that led to so many other problems.

    To question #2. I have a real hard time "blaming" or "pointing fingers" at the church for the choices I have made. So please keep that in mind, but i would answer "no".

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      @cshell…thanks for your encouragement and your honesty! The list I provided wasn't an exhaustive list, but one just to get people thinking. I have been and will continue to pray for you and your marriage.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JenniferBallas JenniferBallas

    I will definitely say communication causes the most problems in my marriage. It's not just the lack of communication, but also the way we communicate with each other. Sometimes I surprise myself with the tone I take with my husband.

    I don't know that I can honestly answer the second question because that would assume I've looked to the Chuch to help solve the problem. I don't think I've really done that. Instead, I've tried things on my own. Or if I'm completely honest, it's sometimes easier not to try.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Jennifer…wow! Your brutal honesty is tough, but refreshing. So many people are unwilling to admit what you just said. Thank you for sharing here, and please let me know if we can be a resource for you in any way!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JenniferBallas JenniferBallas

    I will definitely say communication causes the most problems in my marriage. It's not just the lack of communication, but also the way we communicate with each other. Sometimes I surprise myself with the tone I take with my husband.

    I don't know that I can honestly answer the second question because that would assume I've looked to the Chuch to help solve the problem. I don't think I've really done that. Instead, I've tried things on my own. Or if I'm completely honest, it's sometimes easier not to try.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Jennifer…wow! Your brutal honesty is tough, but refreshing. So many people are unwilling to admit what you just said. Thank you for sharing here, and please let me know if we can be a resource for you in any way!

  • http://douglasryoung.net Doug Young

    Justin,

    1. I would say that my biggest problem is in making good, quality time for each other. Between ministry, kids, and everything else, I've failed in this regard. She's been patient and understanding, but her ability to endure doesn't make it right. I really need to lay down some boundaries, as well as better use the time we do spend together.

    2. Sadly, I say "No." From my vantage point, the reasons are too numerous to list.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Doug, my first run in ministry I really struggled with balance. I felt like my ministry, the church, people's relationship with God rose and fell with me…I talked about trusting God, but really thought I was more in control of my ministry than He was. Having lost it all, I see now that God longs for us to be who He's called us to be before we do what He's called us to do! Thanks for your honesty!

  • http://douglasryoung.net/ Doug Young

    Justin,

    1. I would say that my biggest problem is in making good, quality time for each other. Between ministry, kids, and everything else, I've failed in this regard. She's been patient and understanding, but her ability to endure doesn't make it right. I really need to lay down some boundaries, as well as better use the time we do spend together.

    2. Sadly, I say "No." From my vantage point, the reasons are too numerous to list.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Doug, my first run in ministry I really struggled with balance. I felt like my ministry, the church, people's relationship with God rose and fell with me…I talked about trusting God, but really thought I was more in control of my ministry than He was. Having lost it all, I see now that God longs for us to be who He's called us to be before we do what He's called us to do! Thanks for your honesty!

  • James

    1. I would say communication. There are a few elephants in the room, and it is easier to let life take over than confront the big issues. Thankfully, God has been working in our lives to open some of these doors. But, communication is key.

    2. Nope. It seems like many of the 'churched' sit as if they do not have these problems. If they do, they do not really take the time to focus on them to a large degree. Therefore, many people act asd if the problems are okay to ignore, and act as if there are no problems.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      James…great thoughts…."it is easier to let life take over than to confront the big issues." Sadly, I've been there, and it is a miserable way to live. So thankful God is moving you guys through that!

  • James

    1. I would say communication. There are a few elephants in the room, and it is easier to let life take over than confront the big issues. Thankfully, God has been working in our lives to open some of these doors. But, communication is key.

    2. Nope. It seems like many of the 'churched' sit as if they do not have these problems. If they do, they do not really take the time to focus on them to a large degree. Therefore, many people act asd if the problems are okay to ignore, and act as if there are no problems.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      James…great thoughts…."it is easier to let life take over than to confront the big issues." Sadly, I've been there, and it is a miserable way to live. So thankful God is moving you guys through that!

  • anon

    1. communicating respect (or our lack of respect) and patience for each other.
    2. i see programmed, structured things that can serve as quick fixes but they don't provide sustainable and deep growth. i have experienced the sustainable, deep growth with professional counseling/therapists (not at churches).

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      @anon…when I was a senior pastor, I looked at a 5 week family series as what we needed to do to build strong families. Not only was I not living out what I was preaching, the people coming and listening were leaving unchanged…there has to be more to it than that! Great thoughts.

  • anon

    1. communicating respect (or our lack of respect) and patience for each other.
    2. i see programmed, structured things that can serve as quick fixes but they don't provide sustainable and deep growth. i have experienced the sustainable, deep growth with professional counseling/therapists (not at churches).

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      @anon…when I was a senior pastor, I looked at a 5 week family series as what we needed to do to build strong families. Not only was I not living out what I was preaching, the people coming and listening were leaving unchanged…there has to be more to it than that! Great thoughts.

  • http://www.scottsutherland.wordpress.com/ Scott Sutherland

    #1 – After 20 yrs. of marriage, I would say "Expectations" are the key. For instance, "What are the expectations we put on ourselves vs. the expectations we have of each other? How much of that did we bring into our marriage from our family of origin? How do we deal with it? Explore TOGETHER (and with a trusted and Godly therapist) God's expectation of us individually and as a couple.

    #2 – In my experience The Church is all over the board in terms of it's view on therapy. It varies from community to community. Thankfully, my wife and I have a community that does it well.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Scott…I resisted counseling and therapy for so long…partly because of pride and partly because I didn't want to know how broken I was..I guess that would be considered stupidity! :) Thanks for sharing from your heart!

      • http://www.scottsutherland.wordpress.com/ Scott Sutherland

        Totally understand the fear of counseling/therapy. I can't think of one person that looks forward to laying out all their crap to a complete stranger. I always advise people to have someone they trust recommend a counselor/therapist.

        But here's the deal, you all are proving why Jesus came. There is healing that goes beyond our understanding. Proud of you all!

  • http://www.scottsutherland.wordpress.com Scott Sutherland

    #1 – After 20 yrs. of marriage, I would say "Expectations" are the key. For instance, "What are the expectations we put on ourselves vs. the expectations we have of each other? How much of that did we bring into our marriage from our family of origin? How do we deal with it? Explore TOGETHER (and with a trusted and Godly therapist) God's expectation of us individually and as a couple.

    #2 – In my experience The Church is all over the board in terms of it's view on therapy. It varies from community to community. Thankfully, my wife and I have a community that does it well.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Scott…I resisted counseling and therapy for so long…partly because of pride and partly because I didn't want to know how broken I was..I guess that would be considered stupidity! :) Thanks for sharing from your heart!

      • http://www.scottsutherland.wordpress.com Scott Sutherland

        Totally understand the fear of counseling/therapy. I can't think of one person that looks forward to laying out all their crap to a complete stranger. I always advise people to have someone they trust recommend a counselor/therapist.

        But here's the deal, you all are proving why Jesus came. There is healing that goes beyond our understanding. Proud of you all!

  • http://www.jasongordon.org/ Jason Gordon

    I think the church needs to encourage more transparency on this issue. That is one reason I think you guys are such a credible resource on marriage. Your honesty in sharing where you've been and what you've dealt with gives people permission to share. Unfortunately, often times the church unintentionally (mostly) conveys this atmosphere of pretending we have it all together.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Jason…thank you so much for commenting. I love your heart and your thoughts here! I am praying for you bro!

  • http://www.jasongordon.org Jason Gordon

    I think the church needs to encourage more transparency on this issue. That is one reason I think you guys are such a credible resource on marriage. Your honesty in sharing where you've been and what you've dealt with gives people permission to share. Unfortunately, often times the church unintentionally (mostly) conveys this atmosphere of pretending we have it all together.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Jason…thank you so much for commenting. I love your heart and your thoughts here! I am praying for you bro!

  • Natalie

    1. I feel the biggest problem in my marriage is respect, and it's not the lack thereof from my husband, but from his family. We have been together for 15 years and so many times, they still manage to treat me like an outsider and to further the angst and pain of it, my husband doesn't stand up for me or my honor. We joke and say it's because he has middle child syndrome and is afraid to stand up to his family, which is pretty bad since he is 40 yrs old. We try, or shall I say, I try to ignore a lot of the negative behavior from them or the lack of respect they give to me as a parent to their grandchildren, but it's not easy. Then we get into their poor relational treatment towards him as well. It's a slippery and spiral slope. I am still waiting and praying for the day that my husband stands up to his family's attitudes and declares that we (our marriage/life) are more important than they are. I know he would feel so free and liberated! That's when I rely heavily on #2….
    2. Many times I get lessons, solace, re-establishment and reassurance from God, church and fellow Christian friends and family when it comes to learning how to deal with relational frustrations especially in a marriage.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Natalie…thanks for sharing something so close to your heart. I don't have an answer for you, but I'd like to offer some encouragement…if you haven't done this yet, I would challenge you to pray for them and pray for your husband. The truth is, you can't change him, and you can't change them. But God can. And if your husband doesn't ever stand up to his family, you will still be in a better place because God will change you through your prayers. Your prayers will unleash the power of God in your marriage and family in a way that will allow you to rise above the treatment you are getting.

  • Natalie

    1. I feel the biggest problem in my marriage is respect, and it's not the lack thereof from my husband, but from his family. We have been together for 15 years and so many times, they still manage to treat me like an outsider and to further the angst and pain of it, my husband doesn't stand up for me or my honor. We joke and say it's because he has middle child syndrome and is afraid to stand up to his family, which is pretty bad since he is 40 yrs old. We try, or shall I say, I try to ignore a lot of the negative behavior from them or the lack of respect they give to me as a parent to their grandchildren, but it's not easy. Then we get into their poor relational treatment towards him as well. It's a slippery and spiral slope. I am still waiting and praying for the day that my husband stands up to his family's attitudes and declares that we (our marriage/life) are more important than they are. I know he would feel so free and liberated! That's when I rely heavily on #2….
    2. Many times I get lessons, solace, re-establishment and reassurance from God, church and fellow Christian friends and family when it comes to learning how to deal with relational frustrations especially in a marriage.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Natalie…thanks for sharing something so close to your heart. I don't have an answer for you, but I'd like to offer some encouragement…if you haven't done this yet, I would challenge you to pray for them and pray for your husband. The truth is, you can't change him, and you can't change them. But God can. And if your husband doesn't ever stand up to his family, you will still be in a better place because God will change you through your prayers. Your prayers will unleash the power of God in your marriage and family in a way that will allow you to rise above the treatment you are getting.

  • His Daughter

    1. I've been married a few years.We have a some issues but the biggest one is he wasn't always faithful to the covenant we maid. He never physically had an affair but emotionally has. And has also searched out for "others" to send pictures back and forth and have sexual conversations with. I always seem to find things and when confronted about he says he sorry but excuses it as though he drawn to the excitement of it. With dealing with the lack of trust with my husband there is now a lack of respect. I feel as though respect should be earned. He feels as though no matter what he does good or bad he deserves respect because he is the "man of the house". But I feel as though he doesn't respect me enough to not search out others for sexual pleasures then why should I respect him. Which is not biblical Love but it's hard to not feel this way. Because there is a lack of trust and respect I don't want to be sexually close to him. In which he now feel rejected by me but it's kind of hard to "get in the mood" when you don't know if he want you or just a need met.

    2. No I don't feel as though the church is a place of help. I know Jesus is. And I continually go into pray about this subject. And above all he has healed parts of my heart. But the issue is still there because my husband has not searched out help to fix this. There is not anyone who sill stand as though they have has these problems and talk frank about them. If you have a perfect marriage the church is a good place to maintain it.

    • Bob

      Here's my story. I was 28 unmarried. I came to a church as an alcoholic, sex addict, drug addict. One Sunday I put on a tee shirt and jeans and went to the only church in town that I had never heard of. I was an agnostic, mostly an athiest, but someone explain salvation to me a week earlier and I had never understood it before. So I went to the church, it was called Evangelical Free. I liked the word free. I saw all these fine dressed up people inside and I felt very out of place.. I sat in the back. At the end of the sermon the preacher asked anyone who wanted forgiveness to come down and pray with him. I couldn't do that. When the service ended I snuck out quickly. Within minutes of getting home the preacher was at my door asking me if I'd like to go out to eat with his family. I said no but eventually others from the church came by and asked if I needed anything, prayer, food. I decided to go to a mens Bible study one night and I told them about my addictions, I was welcomed! My new family loved me into God's kingdom. It's been many years ago that that all happened.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

        Bob…wow…thank you for sharing your story and your journey. It is an awesome thing when the church loves people where they are and believe that they can be all that God created them to be!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/rosacola rosacola

      His Daughter,

      I strongly recommend your man read Wild at Heart by John Eldredge. That book along with Sacred Romance saved my life and marriage.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      His Daughter…I know that the issues that are weighing on your marriage are bigger than a book can fix or I can fix with this one response…but I want you to know that Trisha and I are praying for you. I do believe anything is possible with God…the price is often high, but the payment (if willing to be paid by both people) is worth it. A book that I would highly recommend is a book called "Love and Respect". Here is a link http://www.amazon.com/Love-Respect-Desires-Desper… . Please let us know if we can serve you in any way!

  • His Daughter

    1. I've been married a few years.We have a some issues but the biggest one is he wasn't always faithful to the covenant we maid. He never physically had an affair but emotionally has. And has also searched out for "others" to send pictures back and forth and have sexual conversations with. I always seem to find things and when confronted about he says he sorry but excuses it as though he drawn to the excitement of it. With dealing with the lack of trust with my husband there is now a lack of respect. I feel as though respect should be earned. He feels as though no matter what he does good or bad he deserves respect because he is the "man of the house". But I feel as though he doesn't respect me enough to not search out others for sexual pleasures then why should I respect him. Which is not biblical Love but it's hard to not feel this way. Because there is a lack of trust and respect I don't want to be sexually close to him. In which he now feel rejected by me but it's kind of hard to "get in the mood" when you don't know if he want you or just a need met.

    2. No I don't feel as though the church is a place of help. I know Jesus is. And I continually go into pray about this subject. And above all he has healed parts of my heart. But the issue is still there because my husband has not searched out help to fix this. There is not anyone who sill stand as though they have has these problems and talk frank about them. If you have a perfect marriage the church is a good place to maintain it.

    • Bob

      Here's my story. I was 28 unmarried. I came to a church as an alcoholic, sex addict, drug addict. One Sunday I put on a tee shirt and jeans and went to the only church in town that I had never heard of. I was an agnostic, mostly an athiest, but someone explain salvation to me a week earlier and I had never understood it before. So I went to the church, it was called Evangelical Free. I liked the word free. I saw all these fine dressed up people inside and I felt very out of place.. I sat in the back. At the end of the sermon the preacher asked anyone who wanted forgiveness to come down and pray with him. I couldn't do that. When the service ended I snuck out quickly. Within minutes of getting home the preacher was at my door asking me if I'd like to go out to eat with his family. I said no but eventually others from the church came by and asked if I needed anything, prayer, food. I decided to go to a mens Bible study one night and I told them about my addictions, I was welcomed! My new family loved me into God's kingdom. It's been many years ago that that all happened.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

        Bob…wow…thank you for sharing your story and your journey. It is an awesome thing when the church loves people where they are and believe that they can be all that God created them to be!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/rosacola rosacola

      His Daughter,

      I strongly recommend your man read Wild at Heart by John Eldredge. That book along with Sacred Romance saved my life and marriage.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      His Daughter…I know that the issues that are weighing on your marriage are bigger than a book can fix or I can fix with this one response…but I want you to know that Trisha and I are praying for you. I do believe anything is possible with God…the price is often high, but the payment (if willing to be paid by both people) is worth it. A book that I would highly recommend is a book called "Love and Respect". Here is a link http://www.amazon.com/Love-Respect-Desires-Desper… . Please let us know if we can serve you in any way!

  • crumbs

    I've been thinking alot about how my marriage was in the beginning. So happy to see each other. All those *little things* didn't bother us. We would cuddle up and watch a movie, hold hands.

    Now…nothing.

    How do we get back to that *butterfly feeling* again. And being happy.

    • Nicole

      We've been together for 20 yrs and the key is to be really intentional. It takes work, but you can take the first step, even if it's small & everything inside you doesn't want to right now.

      Do you know her love language? http://www.5lovelanguages.com/

      Gifts: Maybe leave her little post-it notes in the bathroom one morning telling her how beautiful she is & you can't wait to see her

      Time: sit with her one morning for a cup of coffee before heading to work

      Touch: sneak up from behind, wrap your arms around her & whisper in her ear how much you love her

      Acts of service: do something unexpected. Make her breakfast. Fold the laundry or make the bed. If she asks why, just tell her you want her to know how much you appreciate her

      Words of affirmation: Write an email telling her how much she means to you. Or list the things you appreciate about her.

      When your spouse feels appreciated, he/she naturally wants to return the favor. It helps with communication, the *butterfly feelings* and when you hit the rough spots.

      Hope it helps & good luck

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Crumbs…we have been there…in fact I wrote about what you are talking about in this post http://refineus.org/2009/02/8-things-that-destroy… . You aren't going to be able to get back to where you were over night or easily. It is going to take time and it is going to take hard work. You are going to have to make a decision that no matter what, you are on the same team, and you are in this together. That perspective alone changes how you receive info and give info. I'd also encourage you to begin praying for one another, out loud, together. It will feel weird, but it will be a game changer. Thank you for sharing!

  • crumbs

    I've been thinking alot about how my marriage was in the beginning. So happy to see each other. All those *little things* didn't bother us. We would cuddle up and watch a movie, hold hands.

    Now…nothing.

    How do we get back to that *butterfly feeling* again. And being happy.

    • Nicole

      We've been together for 20 yrs and the key is to be really intentional. It takes work, but you can take the first step, even if it's small & everything inside you doesn't want to right now.

      Do you know her love language? http://www.5lovelanguages.com/

      Gifts: Maybe leave her little post-it notes in the bathroom one morning telling her how beautiful she is & you can't wait to see her

      Time: sit with her one morning for a cup of coffee before heading to work

      Touch: sneak up from behind, wrap your arms around her & whisper in her ear how much you love her

      Acts of service: do something unexpected. Make her breakfast. Fold the laundry or make the bed. If she asks why, just tell her you want her to know how much you appreciate her

      Words of affirmation: Write an email telling her how much she means to you. Or list the things you appreciate about her.

      When your spouse feels appreciated, he/she naturally wants to return the favor. It helps with communication, the *butterfly feelings* and when you hit the rough spots.

      Hope it helps & good luck

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Crumbs…we have been there…in fact I wrote about what you are talking about in this post http://refineus.org/2009/02/8-things-that-destroy… . You aren't going to be able to get back to where you were over night or easily. It is going to take time and it is going to take hard work. You are going to have to make a decision that no matter what, you are on the same team, and you are in this together. That perspective alone changes how you receive info and give info. I'd also encourage you to begin praying for one another, out loud, together. It will feel weird, but it will be a game changer. Thank you for sharing!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/brad_ruggle1734 Brad Ruggles

    1. What is the one issue that creates the most problems for you in your marriage?
    Honestly, I would have to say that our biggest source of disagreement and friction in our marriage comes from parenting-related issues. For some reason cranky kids can bring out the worst in us. :-) Probably the second biggest area of struggle is finances for us.

    2. Do you feel like the Church is effective in helping you find Godly hope and answers to this problem?
    I can't speak for all churches – I know there are some great churches who help by offering parenting classes and such. Sometimes it's just being able to be around people in a small group setting to help you realize you're not the only one struggling with these issues.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Brad…so many people who have young kids don't take into account the pressure and stress they can add to a marriage…before long you are arguing about things that you would have never argued about before…thanks for sharing!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/brad_ruggle1734 Brad Ruggles

    1. What is the one issue that creates the most problems for you in your marriage?
    Honestly, I would have to say that our biggest source of disagreement and friction in our marriage comes from parenting-related issues. For some reason cranky kids can bring out the worst in us. :-) Probably the second biggest area of struggle is finances for us.

    2. Do you feel like the Church is effective in helping you find Godly hope and answers to this problem?
    I can't speak for all churches – I know there are some great churches who help by offering parenting classes and such. Sometimes it's just being able to be around people in a small group setting to help you realize you're not the only one struggling with these issues.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Brad…so many people who have young kids don't take into account the pressure and stress they can add to a marriage…before long you are arguing about things that you would have never argued about before…thanks for sharing!

  • Nicole

    So many people are listing "communication" but I think it really comes down to "connection" and appreciation. If you feel connected [and appreciated] by your spouse, communication is almost a no-brainer.

    The biggest stress for us right now is parenting. We have very different styles/approaches & it can be insanely frustrating. [our kids are now teens, so this isn't exactly a new thing] Even though we do our best to show a united front, it can get dicey in the moment.

    As for the church.. as an organization it's done more harm than good. God, on the other hand, is the only thing that saved our relationship.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Nicole…I think you are right on with the connection and appreciation factor! Great thoughts. I know that for Trisha and I some of the most miserable times we have had is when we are on different pages as parents. What we did a few years ago was take an evening and go out for dinner and discuss issues we had with our kids…and then we decided together how to deal with it. That way, we weren't making a decision in front of the kids that the other parent didn't agree with…we were on the same page in front of the kids, and that has made a huge difference!

  • Nicole

    So many people are listing "communication" but I think it really comes down to "connection" and appreciation. If you feel connected [and appreciated] by your spouse, communication is almost a no-brainer.

    The biggest stress for us right now is parenting. We have very different styles/approaches & it can be insanely frustrating. [our kids are now teens, so this isn't exactly a new thing] Even though we do our best to show a united front, it can get dicey in the moment.

    As for the church.. as an organization it's done more harm than good. God, on the other hand, is the only thing that saved our relationship.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Nicole…I think you are right on with the connection and appreciation factor! Great thoughts. I know that for Trisha and I some of the most miserable times we have had is when we are on different pages as parents. What we did a few years ago was take an evening and go out for dinner and discuss issues we had with our kids…and then we decided together how to deal with it. That way, we weren't making a decision in front of the kids that the other parent didn't agree with…we were on the same page in front of the kids, and that has made a huge difference!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LadybuginKansas LadybuginKansas

    1. The one issue that creates the most problems in my marriage is finances. I was expected to "run" the finances for the first 10 years of marriage, and with having numerous military moves, adding 6 children, buying cars, and using credit cards (both of us) too much, our finances were a problem. My husband decided to "take charge" at that point, has now almost completely excluded me from the decisions, and we are in a worse position now than before.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      We've been married for 14 years and are still figuring this out…but one step we took this year was to take Financial Peace University together and be absolutely honest about where we are financially. It has been hard and embarrassing and not fun, but has opened up a new level of intimacy and conversation in our relationship!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LadybuginKansas LadybuginKansas

    1. The one issue that creates the most problems in my marriage is finances. I was expected to "run" the finances for the first 10 years of marriage, and with having numerous military moves, adding 6 children, buying cars, and using credit cards (both of us) too much, our finances were a problem. My husband decided to "take charge" at that point, has now almost completely excluded me from the decisions, and we are in a worse position now than before.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      We've been married for 14 years and are still figuring this out…but one step we took this year was to take Financial Peace University together and be absolutely honest about where we are financially. It has been hard and embarrassing and not fun, but has opened up a new level of intimacy and conversation in our relationship!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LadybuginKansas LadybuginKansas

    1 contd – Probably second by a narrow margin in our marriage is issues with my husband's family. I am the black sheep in-law, excluded and ignored usually but when there is any attention given it is to make fun of me, my kids, or to ensure that I know that I am not good enough for their brother/son. Then there is the MIL who has always tried to interfere. Everyone calls my husband on a regular basis, but ignores/excludes myself and the kids. When I try to say that something should be done about it to my husband, I am told that he "doesn't want the stress in his life that he grew up with between his mother and his father's family". I don't either, just resolution. My husband prefers to sweep it under the rug and pretend that it doesn't exist. Meanwhile our kids would probably walk right by their grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins on the street if they ever saw them and not even know who they are.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      See the response I gave to His Daughter above…she is in the same position to some degree!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LadybuginKansas LadybuginKansas

    1 contd – Probably second by a narrow margin in our marriage is issues with my husband's family. I am the black sheep in-law, excluded and ignored usually but when there is any attention given it is to make fun of me, my kids, or to ensure that I know that I am not good enough for their brother/son. Then there is the MIL who has always tried to interfere. Everyone calls my husband on a regular basis, but ignores/excludes myself and the kids. When I try to say that something should be done about it to my husband, I am told that he "doesn't want the stress in his life that he grew up with between his mother and his father's family". I don't either, just resolution. My husband prefers to sweep it under the rug and pretend that it doesn't exist. Meanwhile our kids would probably walk right by their grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins on the street if they ever saw them and not even know who they are.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      See the response I gave to His Daughter above…she is in the same position to some degree!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LadybuginKansas LadybuginKansas

    2. My church does not help in any way to resolve the problems here. If I ask a pastor about ideas, I am told that I need to make an appointment with the licensed counselor available through the church. I want a solution, real, Biblical, and relevant. I tried their counselor, by the way, and going by yourself to a counselor doesn't solve the problem. It appears that at my church, the pastoral staff doesn't want to really come down from their lofty existance and get involved on a personal level. Disappointing.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/LadybuginKansas LadybuginKansas

    2. My church does not help in any way to resolve the problems here. If I ask a pastor about ideas, I am told that I need to make an appointment with the licensed counselor available through the church. I want a solution, real, Biblical, and relevant. I tried their counselor, by the way, and going by yourself to a counselor doesn't solve the problem. It appears that at my church, the pastoral staff doesn't want to really come down from their lofty existance and get involved on a personal level. Disappointing.

  • Anita

    The church has not been helpful in the area of spiritually mismatched couples. When you are a Christ follower and your spouse is not, or one spouse is far more spiritually mature, this causes unique marital conflict for which very few sermons and/or books can be found. Usually, it is a wife who is far more spiritually hungry than her husband who is in great pain because she no longer wants to be the spiritual leader but her husband is unwilling or unable to lead.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Anita…I am sorry that you have experienced that at church. I know it is already difficult, but to add the lack of support you feel from those at church make it even more hard…I am praying for you!

  • Anita

    The church has not been helpful in the area of spiritually mismatched couples. When you are a Christ follower and your spouse is not, or one spouse is far more spiritually mature, this causes unique marital conflict for which very few sermons and/or books can be found. Usually, it is a wife who is far more spiritually hungry than her husband who is in great pain because she no longer wants to be the spiritual leader but her husband is unwilling or unable to lead.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Anita…I am sorry that you have experienced that at church. I know it is already difficult, but to add the lack of support you feel from those at church make it even more hard…I am praying for you!

  • http://www.prudychick.com/ Prudence

    I think it's strange but the biggest source of "arrangements" in our house is about food, or the lack there of. I tend to go on the defense which turns into I'm a failure as a wife.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Prudence…one of the things we realized when we were separated is that Trisha hates cooking and grocery shopping…I don't mind it. So I have started doing that and it has transformed our marriage in so many ways! I'd at least have that conversation.

  • http://www.prudychick.com/ Prudence

    *that should be arguments.

  • http://www.prudychick.com Prudence

    I think it's strange but the biggest source of "arrangements" in our house is about food, or the lack there of. I tend to go on the defense which turns into I'm a failure as a wife.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Prudence…one of the things we realized when we were separated is that Trisha hates cooking and grocery shopping…I don't mind it. So I have started doing that and it has transformed our marriage in so many ways! I'd at least have that conversation.

  • http://www.prudychick.com Prudence

    *that should be arguments.

  • http://lisapbjcreations.wordpress.com/ Lisa

    After being married for 17 years I can honestly say we have struggled with nearly everything on the list above. Giving our marriage over to Christ is the only reason we made it past year 10.

    Currently our marriage is in a pretty good place. The issue we are struggling most with is finding quality time for one another and also just investing into conversations with each other that are above and beyond the utilities of getting through our day.

    There are allot of hurting marriages out there we used to have one sometimes I do feel the Church could do more especially for new believers. Having been in one myself we had no idea what to do where to go or how to handle any of it. Even though we were at a church during this time it was the couple of Christians in Gerald's everyday life (his workplace) that got us on the path without judging. Sometimes I actually think about the fact the church missed us somehow and maybe that was partially our fault not sure , but luckily God did not miss us . I've learned one thing for sure God always has a back up plan !

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Lisa, I think you make a great point. I think historically in the Church (with a capital C) we have assumed that people who become followers of Christ will just know what to do without any guidance. Magically all of their habits will just transform and they will not struggle with the baggage of their past…the result is that we train people to be fake when they realize that it doesn't work like that, they pretend like it does. Thank yo for your honesty!

  • http://lisapbjcreations.wordpress.com/ Lisa

    After being married for 17 years I can honestly say we have struggled with nearly everything on the list above. Giving our marriage over to Christ is the only reason we made it past year 10.

    Currently our marriage is in a pretty good place. The issue we are struggling most with is finding quality time for one another and also just investing into conversations with each other that are above and beyond the utilities of getting through our day.

    There are allot of hurting marriages out there we used to have one sometimes I do feel the Church could do more especially for new believers. Having been in one myself we had no idea what to do where to go or how to handle any of it. Even though we were at a church during this time it was the couple of Christians in Gerald's everyday life (his workplace) that got us on the path without judging. Sometimes I actually think about the fact the church missed us somehow and maybe that was partially our fault not sure , but luckily God did not miss us . I've learned one thing for sure God always has a back up plan !

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Lisa, I think you make a great point. I think historically in the Church (with a capital C) we have assumed that people who become followers of Christ will just know what to do without any guidance. Magically all of their habits will just transform and they will not struggle with the baggage of their past…the result is that we train people to be fake when they realize that it doesn't work like that, they pretend like it does. Thank yo for your honesty!

  • http://blakeunfettered.wordpress.com/ Blake Bergstrom

    Justin…I am so grateful to see you focused on the restoration of marriages. You can truly speak with authority on this issue because of the brokeness that you have walked through. The comments generated from this post are incredible and it makes me want to really wake up and pay attention to the many weaknesses that our family continually works through. Thanks for leading in such a powerful way around here!!

    Blake

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Thank you so much Blake!

  • http://blakeunfettered.wordpress.com Blake Bergstrom

    Justin…I am so grateful to see you focused on the restoration of marriages. You can truly speak with authority on this issue because of the brokeness that you have walked through. The comments generated from this post are incredible and it makes me want to really wake up and pay attention to the many weaknesses that our family continually works through. Thanks for leading in such a powerful way around here!!

    Blake

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Thank you so much Blake!

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  • Anonymous

    My marriage is being destroyed by the selfishness exhibited by both parties. In him by his refusal to address his unhealthy anger bursts and apathy towards me and my feelings. The emotional abuse is worse than the anger, my health problems magnify this. I then retreat into pornography and illicit phone calls with random men. I want out, I want help, I've been seeing a counselor and he's meeting with a pastor, but so far I am discouraged and tired of trying. I pray sometimes that God would take my life.

    • cshell

      I'm praying for you and your relationship right now. Don't give up!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/trishdavis Trish Davis

        Anonymous ~ My heart hurts for where you are right now. Please know that there was never a guarantee that our marriage would be put back together. When I told my boys Justin wasn't coming home… that's all I new at that point. I couldn't choose brokenness for Justin and he couldn't choose it for me. Thats what makes our story a miracle. We both choose God and in response choose each other.

        I believe with all my heart that you can find healing. I don't have a map or a five step program but you are on the right track regardless if your spouse is. YES, it will be hard. Yes you will have layers of pain and dysfunction to deal with. Yes It will take time to heal and understand your addictions and baggage BUT God's love for you never changes. He loves you broken and bleeding and desires nothing more but for you to be healed.

        My wounds from our story have left huge ugly scares. They use to haunt me but now they remind me of how amazing God is and the miracle He has done in me and our marriage. Both you and I will not experience complete healing until we are in heaven. But while here… God is always with you and nothing, not pornography, illness or affairs can keep his love for you… but there is a catch.

        You have to be willing to choose. Choose to believe that He loves you. Choose joy that is found only in Him. Choose to lean into God's word and the instructions it gives us for life and healing. Choose to believe that the hard steps you are taking are impacting you for the better but will take time. I know this is easier said than done but I've been there. I'm still on the journey just further down the road. I had to take the first steps too and I am proud that you are as well! Don't give up! Praying for you! ~ Trish

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      I agree with Trisha and with Cshell…we are praying for you and don't give up…the fight is worth it!

  • Anonymous

    My marriage is being destroyed by the selfishness exhibited by both parties. In him by his refusal to address his unhealthy anger bursts and apathy towards me and my feelings. The emotional abuse is worse than the anger, my health problems magnify this. I then retreat into pornography and illicit phone calls with random men. I want out, I want help, I've been seeing a counselor and he's meeting with a pastor, but so far I am discouraged and tired of trying. I pray sometimes that God would take my life.

    • cshell

      I'm praying for you and your relationship right now. Don't give up!

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/trishdavis Trish Davis

        Anonymous ~ My heart hurts for where you are right now. Please know that there was never a guarantee that our marriage would be put back together. When I told my boys Justin wasn't coming home… that's all I new at that point. I couldn't choose brokenness for Justin and he couldn't choose it for me. Thats what makes our story a miracle. We both choose God and in response choose each other.

        I believe with all my heart that you can find healing. I don't have a map or a five step program but you are on the right track regardless if your spouse is. YES, it will be hard. Yes you will have layers of pain and dysfunction to deal with. Yes It will take time to heal and understand your addictions and baggage BUT God's love for you never changes. He loves you broken and bleeding and desires nothing more but for you to be healed.

        My wounds from our story have left huge ugly scares. They use to haunt me but now they remind me of how amazing God is and the miracle He has done in me and our marriage. Both you and I will not experience complete healing until we are in heaven. But while here… God is always with you and nothing, not pornography, illness or affairs can keep his love for you… but there is a catch.

        You have to be willing to choose. Choose to believe that He loves you. Choose joy that is found only in Him. Choose to lean into God's word and the instructions it gives us for life and healing. Choose to believe that the hard steps you are taking are impacting you for the better but will take time. I know this is easier said than done but I've been there. I'm still on the journey just further down the road. I had to take the first steps too and I am proud that you are as well! Don't give up! Praying for you! ~ Trish

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      I agree with Trisha and with Cshell…we are praying for you and don't give up…the fight is worth it!

  • Newlywed

    I think it is unfair to think the church can be everything to everyone. I think we have to take responsibility for our own lives. If we need help it is our responsibility to seek it whether it is through the church or a professional counselor. Realizing and being willing to admit we need the help can be hard. Putting pride away and stepping out and asking for help can be even harder. I am glad I go to a church like Crosspoint where they are not afraid to face tough issues openly and honestly on both public and private level.

  • Newlywed

    I think it is unfair to think the church can be everything to everyone. I think we have to take responsibility for our own lives. If we need help it is our responsibility to seek it whether it is through the church or a professional counselor. Realizing and being willing to admit we need the help can be hard. Putting pride away and stepping out and asking for help can be even harder. I am glad I go to a church like Crosspoint where they are not afraid to face tough issues openly and honestly on both public and private level.

  • crumbs

    To Anonymous, Tell Satan to get behind you. he is trying to get you and his grip is strong. he will just keep digging and digging at you. he is digging at the root of your very being. Tell Satan to go and then run (fast) to the Lord!

    Praying for you!!!

    Take care,
    Amy

  • crumbs

    To Anonymous, Tell Satan to get behind you. he is trying to get you and his grip is strong. he will just keep digging and digging at you. he is digging at the root of your very being. Tell Satan to go and then run (fast) to the Lord!

    Praying for you!!!

    Take care,
    Amy

  • Praying4Change

    1. PRIDE!! That is the single most destructive thing in our marriage. And pride is such a 'sneaky' little destroyer! There is not a giant, catastrophic event that has come crashing in on us, but PRIDE has crept in and repeatedly done damage to our marriage! We find ourselves to be too proud to say "I'm sorry", too proud to "give in" and let the other have preference in decision making, and too proud to be the one that "cares more". PRIDE is more harmful than we even realize. Christ was humble and selfless and I pray that our marriage can take on those characteristics.

    2. In a word, NO. Pride is often in the driver's seat in churches, too, so it is difficult to find a ministry source that is real enough to address the core issues of failing marriages. THAT'S WHY I COME TO THIS BLOG!! You are real and honest and, as mentioned in an earlier comment, credible. Thanks!!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/davisfamily05 Justin and Trisha

      Lamentations 3 is a passage of scripture I read often…it is basically a prayer describing God crushing the writer. I heard Chuck Swindall give a talk earlier this year where he simply said "Leave room for the crushing." When I don't care who gets the credit and I'm more concerned about being healthy than being right, pride gets defeated!