Last month, Trisha and I were asked by Outreach Magazine to share our thoughts on church planting, marriage, ministry and the pressure that comes with each of those realities. The printed article comes out in the September/October issue of Outreach. Below is an excerpt of the article and a link to read the full, uncut interview.
Our passion to share our failures, our brokenness and God’s restoration is at its highest when we are talking to pastors and church planters. Our prayer is that every marriage, but especially the marriage of those in ministry would find encouragement with what we share.
Justin, when you look back over your ministry before the affair, did the expectation of growing a large church contribute to the fall?
Justin: When Trisha and I married, we had this vision to change the world for Christ. It was never our intention to move 15 times in an effort to fulfill that vision, but we felt called, and every time it was in pursuit of my dreams of becoming an important youth pastor. I had this ambition to have a big ministry, along with the understanding that the size of your ministry and how much influence you have in the greater church is related to the success you can have in your local ministry. Those things really pre-empted my development as a person, as a Christian.
When we moved from Kokomo, Ind., to Nashville, Tenn., 10 years ago, I was excited to go to the next place because it was bigger, better and would give me a larger platform, but Trisha was devastated because she’d just invested her whole heart there. Then shortly after we arrived in Nashville, we left in 2002 to plant the church in Indianapolis.
Trisha: And that was the hardest place to be because the ministry we’d been at prior was the longest we’d been anywhere (three-and-a-half years). I was really well connected with our students and my small group of girls. I was very involved with the worship team, and it was the first time that, from the senior pastor on down, I felt they saw my gifts.
Justin: That’s the difference: Trisha is an investor in people. I was a user of people. I leveraged people; I didn’t invest in them. We’d move from these ministries, and she’d have very deep heartfelt relationship with so many people, but people to me were a commodity, a means to an end to get to a place. I didn’t feel that way in the moment, but looking back on how I treated them and the dysfunction in my own heart gave me the perspective to know that. I was just using them to help me accomplish what I wanted to in ministry.
Trisha: The moves were a loss of investment. Before social media, before Facebook, we moved, and we lost connections.
Justin: That whole issue [pursuing my dreams of importance, Trisha connecting and then being uprooted] was grinding against each other for 10 years.